Posts by Marvin Shilmer

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

Just be thankful she hasn't got kids.

She's already multiplied.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

If someone called her a racist name would it be racist?

Transracist?

I'm not necessarily saying that I can prove they're racist... But I don't know that I can actually prove they are not racist.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

I saw the interview ...

Her responses contain contorted linguistics and mental gymnastics the envy of Watchtower writers in training!

Everything she says is multi-media, and says nothing.

"Creative non-fiction"? Does than mean "Created fact," "Inspiring fact," "Ingenious fact," "Imaginative fact" or what? She's a loon in living colored.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

She does seem to have switched her argument...
This gal has went from stating categorically and repeatedly that she was born in a teepee, and this despite there being no "medical witnesses" to her being born in this teepee. But now the absence of "medical witnesses" is somehow supposed to cast doubt on her parents of record?
If her mouth is open she's lying. That's what is looks like to me.
She's got a serious issue, and I hope it does not advance to thoughts of hurting herself.

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Christians not knowing the Bible

by Viviane in

last night a young man in a bar struck up a conversation with me.

our town is having our pride parade soon and he brought it up, the bible and how it's against the bible.

me being me, i said that i couldn't care less that it was against the bible and that it was a horrible guide for morality anyway.

Marvin Shilmer

Jesus believed it was. Are you saying Jesus was wrong?

That's an interesting comment and question.

Presuming the biblical Jesus is authentic, certainly he is portrayed as believing in something. But I'm not so sure there is sufficient biblical evidence to support a notion that this Jesus believed in the inspiration of what contemporaries consider as the Bible, let alone that he believed everything in the Bible should be understood as literal.

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John 21:23 a new argument for JW's regarding false prophecy promoted being OK

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i want as many minds put into this as possible.. there is a new argument among the extreme jw apologists, saying that even the disciples promoted mistakes.

they base themselves on john 21:23. keep in mind, i am not a believer but i want the answer from a believer's standpoint, please.. .

nwt:.

Marvin Shilmer

There is no biblical record of any teaching ever being imposed upon the early Christians by the Apostles or church leaders acting in their stead that later on had to be changed because the teaching was false. Not even one.

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Undisclosed policy versus Public portrayal

by Marvin Shilmer in

today a reader left this comment on my blog regarding research on watchtower's position on pledging national allegiance: .

i live in an african land as an elder who has stepped down due to being disheartened that all my life has actually been at the service of con men rather than to god.

i also began my search into what was really going on and confirmed my suspicions.

Marvin Shilmer

I believe the problem with the Pledge was that it was a pledge to the "flag", which in the minds of the Watchtower leaders was akin to somehow pledging allegiance to an idol of sorts.

That recollection is not wrong, but it's not the whole story. For example, in schools many JW children were presented the option of not pledging to the flag and, instead, simply stating that they pledged allegiance to the government of the United States. These children refused this option for the same reason that so many adult JWs did the same thing: they thought it was wrong based on what Watchtower put out there for consumption for the general population of JWs. The linked article offers several examples of this.

So because of what Watchtower was teaching we had JWs refusing to pledge the exact same oath that Watchtower leaders were pledging, and not once did the leadership just come right out and say "Here is the national pledge of allegiance to the United States government, you should not have any mental reservations about pledging this oath of allegiance." Not one time did Watchtower leadership come right out and say this to the community of JWs. Not once! Instead Watchtower leadership put out that phoney-baloney alternative oath, which by itself suggested to JWs that there must be something wrong with pledging the standard national oath of allegiance.

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Undisclosed policy versus Public portrayal

by Marvin Shilmer in

today a reader left this comment on my blog regarding research on watchtower's position on pledging national allegiance: .

i live in an african land as an elder who has stepped down due to being disheartened that all my life has actually been at the service of con men rather than to god.

i also began my search into what was really going on and confirmed my suspicions.

Marvin Shilmer

Today a reader left this comment on my blog regarding research on Watchtower's position on pledging national allegiance:

I live in an African land as an elder who has stepped down due to being disheartened that all my life has actually been at the service of con men rather than to God. I also began my search into what was really going on and confirmed my suspicions. Your article is very informative and I hope more individuals within Jehovah's witnesses will come to such knowledge and free themselves.

To me, one of the most damning aspects of this whole sorry episode of Watchtower hypocrisy is the Alternate Oath that Watchtower officials presented in legal briefs (and in Watchtower publication) that JWs would gladly pledge and without mental reservation. Here's the alternate pledge Watchtower put forth:

“I have pledged my unqualified allegiance and devotion to Jehovah, the Almighty God, and to His Kingdom, for which Jesus commands all Christians to pray. I respect the flag of the United States and acknowledge it as a symbol of freedom and justice to all. I pledge allegiance and obedience to all the laws of the United States that are consistent with God's law, as set forth in the Bible.”

It is striking today to realize this alternate pledge was no more and no less than Watchtower putting one idea in the heads of JWs about the religion's position on pledging allegiance to, in this case, the United States while the whole time Watchtower's top officials were all pledging the usual national oath of allegiance, the same one that Presidents of the United States pledge (and military personnel and other government officials). Oh, and this pledge is made without any mental reservation whatsoever, which is also part of the pledge.

So the national oath of allegiance that Watchtower officials were all pledging themselves to was apparently not good enough for rank-and-file JWs, despite Watchtower officials swearing to this oath with no mental reservation whatsoever! If that does not scream "Let's keep our pledging of allegiance to the United States government secret and feed BS to the membership" I don't know what does.

The reader's comment is available HERE.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

The latest piece of ultra stupid behavior:

Of Larry and Ruthanne Dolezal (biological parents of record of Rachel Dolezal) the Incredible WHITE black woman says:

I'm not necessarily saying that I can prove they're not [my biological parents],” “But I don't know that I can actually prove they are [my biological parents]."

Well, yes you can Ms. Incredible WHITE black woman. You can take a DNA test.

The mystery is solved to the question of HOW could this gal get any dumber or more bizarre.

Answer: She only has to open her mouth and make sound. Deed done.

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The incredibly white NAACP leader

by Simon in

this is a bizarre story.. there is a woman who is the local leader of the naacp who is obviously trying to mislead people into believing she is black who is actually white.

very white.. she obviously gets a tan regularly but looks more orange.

yes, orange really is the new black!.

Marvin Shilmer

I can't decide if she's nuts or its cynically milking the system for personal benefit.

Beaten with Baboon whips. Born in a teepee. Hunted her food with bows and arrows. Lived in Africa. Sued university for discriminating against her, a white woman. Rose in the ranks of NAACP as a black woman. Tells her black brother (adopted) not to "blow" her cover, and then claims her demise is an "unexpected firestorm".

She's nuts. Or, to put it more precisely, completely nuts.